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                        <title>RE: BAV XLR</title>
                        <link>https://iconoclastcable.com/blog/community/general-discussion/bav-xlr/paged/2/#post-66</link>
                        <pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2026 15:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Be aware, 4694P is &quot;plenum&quot; cable and has to pass super strict indoor smoke and flame spread properties. We stole the superb teflon dielectric for a analog audio for sure. Your antenna appli...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Be aware, 4694P is "plenum" cable and has to pass super strict indoor smoke and flame spread properties. We stole the superb teflon dielectric for a analog audio for sure. Your antenna application doesn't need the expensive plenum certification.</p>
<p>Try 4694R for a cheaper riser rated / above ground outdoor, not in air plenums, version. You don't want to bury 4694R cable, there is a burial SDI version; 1694SB.</p>
<p>The 4694P and 4694R are 12 GHz, the 1694SB is 6 GHz rated.</p>
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<p>Best, Galen</p>]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://iconoclastcable.com/blog/community/"></category>                        <dc:creator>Galen Gareis</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: BAV XLR</title>
                        <link>https://iconoclastcable.com/blog/community/general-discussion/bav-xlr/paged/2/#post-65</link>
                        <pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2026 19:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[If I could find a couple hundred feet of the 4694P. I may be willing to try it in my OTA antenna system.  But admittedly 1000&#039; spools (about all I can find) makes that test a pipe dream.]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I could find a couple hundred feet of the 4694P. I may be willing to try it in my OTA antenna system.  But admittedly 1000' spools (about all I can find) makes that test a pipe dream.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: BAV CORDAGE</title>
                        <link>https://iconoclastcable.com/blog/community/general-discussion/bav-cordage/#post-64</link>
                        <pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2025 01:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[A lot of power cords with the six pack…six more. But let’s talk power cords a second. We get a LOT of questions on power cords. Most of it is pure myth. And yes, we tested dozens of cords fo...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of power cords with the six pack…six more. But let’s talk power cords a second. We get a LOT of questions on power cords. Most of it is pure myth. And yes, we tested dozens of cords for actual properties before we selected the 600V Industrial cordage that we use to make BAV cord sets. For the nitty gritty, go here; <a href="https://iconoclastcable.com/techpapers/bavpoweranalysis.pdf" rel="noopener nofollow ugc" data-clicks="4" aria-label="https://iconoclastcable.com/techpapers/bavpoweranalysis.pdf link clicked 4 times">https://iconoclastcable.com/techpapers/bavpoweranalysis.pdf</a></p>
<div class="lightbox-wrapper"><a class="lightbox" title="Cords" href="https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/psaudio/original/4X/0/9/7/097faff9b8121720d35bb8cffa2fe94d61141e70.jpeg" rel="noopener nofollow ugc" data-download-href="/uploads/short-url/1m1RHOeKOUAikx2EGFG00NzEfXq.jpeg?dl=1"><img style="aspect-ratio: 281 / 500" src="https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/psaudio/optimized/4X/0/9/7/097faff9b8121720d35bb8cffa2fe94d61141e70_2_281x500.jpeg" alt="Cords" width="281" height="500" data-base62-sha1="1m1RHOeKOUAikx2EGFG00NzEfXq" data-dominant-color="6B6563" /></a></div>
<p>The biggest issue people have is shielded power cords are “better”. Well, no. How can all those unshielded power cords on the <a class="linkify-word no-track-link" href="https://www.psaudio.com/products/directstream-p20-power-plant/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">P20</a> be whisper quiet?</p>
<p>Basics, a shield has to overcome a problem that is worse than the shield superimposes into the mix. Yep, a shield has a negative performance contribution too. A shield adds reactance in capacitance and the closer it is to the inner wires, the worse it becomes. It also will rat out bad ground differentials in your wiring and give you a nice ground loop.</p>
<p>The purpose of a shield is to limit mostly EGRESS, stuff radiating OUT of the cord, not INGRESS, which is what we audiophiles always tend to think about. Don’t mess with my turf! Well, we can’t mess with other people’s turf, either!</p>
<p>The FCC has emissions limits devices needs to pass in order to be sold and if we use an open IEC socket that accepts any cord, UL will use the worst case cord during the test, and unshielded cord with the AWG based on the equipment specification current draw.</p>
<p>Why test this way? Because ANY cord can be used in the wild and the worst case prevents excessive emissions. The graph below is a FCC chart for emissions. The two lines are class A and B levels. The home class A limit is STRICTER than the INDUSTRIAL class B limit line. Yep, we consumers are big complainers when we use our stuff, and with far less knowledge than the pro’s that consider EMI/RFI far better than the average person at home.</p>
<p>Here is a UL test file showing the emissions limits for a device to be sold. The upper is CLASS B and the lower is CLASS A for home usage devices.</p>
<div class="lightbox-wrapper"><a class="lightbox" title="image" href="https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/psaudio/original/4X/8/7/7/87742eea60f05f32971484607f74ec3ccb416807.jpeg" rel="noopener nofollow ugc" data-download-href="/uploads/short-url/jkhnyJV5HsG9AHnGyEn8zcXkHBl.jpeg?dl=1"><img style="aspect-ratio: 690 / 369" src="https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/psaudio/optimized/4X/8/7/7/87742eea60f05f32971484607f74ec3ccb416807_2_690x369.jpeg" alt="image" width="690" height="369" data-base62-sha1="jkhnyJV5HsG9AHnGyEn8zcXkHBl" data-dominant-color="DDDDDD" /></a>
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<p>Why even have shielded power cords? Some devices with digital power supplies and VFD, variable Frequency Drive, devices are massive emitters of RFI, and require a shielded power cord for EGRESS. Here the negatives of the shields reactance is far, far less a problem than what is also mitigates. Everything is a balance and trade-off.</p>
<p>The next issue is what is called SPG, single point ground. NO, NO and NO on lifting the shield at EITHER END! A shield is not an antenna, and required both ends to be grounded to attenuate the RF on the shield. One end left open creates a resonance system that radiated RFI based on the shield resonance frequency determined by the length of the cable. You added yet another problem, not a solution. For those that want more tech on this, Email me for the entire paper to credit Larry West’s work.</p>
<p><a class="lightbox" title="image" href="https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/psaudio/original/4X/e/8/8/e886e0c7308326725dbafe95cc40643c0af48fb9.png" rel="noopener nofollow ugc" data-download-href="/uploads/short-url/xb1KnlVshOUsgidn3IYUFYp8qCd.png?dl=1"><img style="aspect-ratio: 689 / 374" src="https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/psaudio/optimized/4X/e/8/8/e886e0c7308326725dbafe95cc40643c0af48fb9_2_689x374.png" alt="image" width="689" height="374" data-base62-sha1="xb1KnlVshOUsgidn3IYUFYp8qCd" data-dominant-color="E7E7E7" /></a></p>
<p>All, of you that are using SPG are simply adding a problem that is just less of a problem than the “hum” or ground loop you removed. The proper solution is to figure out why your ground is lifted at some point in your chain and fix it. Saying I can’t find it, so a SPG “works” is STILL wrong! You are creating a radiating, and receiving, antenna that is doing the exact opposite of what a shield is supposed to do. The solution? Use an UNSHIELDED cord and fix the ground differential. The shield should be bonded to the chassis (green wire), or earth ground, not the neutral side. AND AT BOTH ENDS.</p>
<p>Industrial installations require an IEEE bonding specification (IEEE 3003.2-2014) be met for all ground points. This removes the grounding current to an acceptable level. ALL grounds have a “wire” between them with some DCR and voltage drop/current, yes. But proper bonding DCR differentials keeps issues below being problematic.</p>
<p>The next question is does a UTP cable even mitigate RFI? Yes, and no. Depends on the dielectric’s ability to move RF along the wires. We chose an EPDM insulation and it is AWFUL as a RF dielectric. It actually absorbs high frequency energy. Most UL approved equipment already has robust RF filters built-in to the power supply and pass the emissions and ingress testing as well. We don’t really need the suppression on the cord, but hey, we all want better so we chose better. Here is the RS against frequency and the impedance, or resistance, to RF energy down the cable. The EPDM 19105 is essentially equal to or worse at passing true RF. This attribute is probably not a benefit with good equipment more than a feel good thing. The durability of 600V (thicker insulation than 300V versions) EPDM cords is a big asset, though. Flexible, tough and relatively cheap in our world.</p>
<div class="lightbox-wrapper"><a class="lightbox" title="image" href="https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/psaudio/original/4X/4/c/6/4c641178aed90d0aa722bbd2bdb2f527417aa44a.png" rel="noopener nofollow ugc" data-download-href="/uploads/short-url/aTMGloI7z6hcFeJRa7jbbMlQJ2G.png?dl=1"><img style="aspect-ratio: 690 / 303" src="https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/psaudio/optimized/4X/4/c/6/4c641178aed90d0aa722bbd2bdb2f527417aa44a_2_690x303.png" alt="image" width="690" height="303" data-base62-sha1="aTMGloI7z6hcFeJRa7jbbMlQJ2G" data-dominant-color="D7D7D7" /></a></div>
<p>A quick primer on power cord testing for our usage shows we need high quality UTP power cords of suitable construction to be easy to use, durable and safe. I go with the data and so should you when it is available.</p>
<p>Best, Galen Gareis</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: BAV XLR</title>
                        <link>https://iconoclastcable.com/blog/community/general-discussion/bav-xlr/#post-61</link>
                        <pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2025 13:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[My personal recommendation for the absolute best sounding SPDIF cable on the planet is our Belden 4694P. The FEP insulation/fluorinated ethylene propylene that gives this design a &quot;plenum&quot; r...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My personal recommendation for the absolute best sounding SPDIF cable on the planet is our Belden 4694P. The <strong>FEP insulation/fluorinated ethylene propylene</strong> that gives this design a "plenum" rating just does something magical to the audio quality. Though I can't explain it, I've compared 1694A to 4694P and see a dramatic sonic improvement. And, consider that 1694A has been a long, long time staple coaxial digital cable of Belden. It has been the undisputed champion of its category for years. I sold miles of it during my years at Belden. This is one cable (4694P,) that I'm not aware of a <strong>single return</strong> from customers who have made a purchase.  I also use 4694P as a <strong>subwoofer cable</strong> with incredible results. For those with an <strong>"off-air television antenna,"</strong> 4694P delivers "<span>Ultra-High Definition Digital Video, 4K Single-link 12 Gb/s UHDTV, 4K D-Cinema, 8K Quad-link UHDTV, HD-SDI 1080p video performance that is the best ever." </span>Highly recommended and versatile digital cable!!</p>
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                        <title>RE: BAV XLR</title>
                        <link>https://iconoclastcable.com/blog/community/general-discussion/bav-xlr/#post-60</link>
                        <pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2025 14:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Yes, the AES/EBU standard is a 110 +/- 15 ohm impedance (specs suggest +/- 20% impedance tolerance). The RCA series I and XLR are 103 ohms nominal at RF (Zo = 101670/11.5pf/ft * 87% Vp) = 10...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the AES/EBU standard is a 110 +/- 15 ohm impedance (specs suggest +/- 20% impedance tolerance). The RCA series I and XLR are 103 ohms nominal at RF (Zo = 101670/11.5pf/ft * 87% Vp) = 103 ohms. This was designed in at the start such that the series I can be used as a AES/EBU link and analog, BOTH for the pro market in the BAV series. The ICONOCLAST simply (or not so simply) ups the BAV's design to the next level of materials. I use the ICONOCLAST XLR series I link for the PS Audio Memory CD player to the T+A DAC, for example. </p>
<p>The series II RCA and XLR are ANALOG optimized designs ONLY! In no way will using this more expensive cable benefit AES/EBU or S/PDIF. For S/PDIF use our precision 75-ohm serial digital olefin + copper 1694A or fluorocopolymer + silver plated copper 4694P coaxial digital cable.</p>
<p>The series II XLR and RCA use a four wire 30 AWG design that is ~70 ohms nominal at RF (101670/16.5 pf/ft* 87% Vp) = 70 ohms. This design is NOT suitable for the geometric return loss precision needed at RF and the impedance does not apply to analog, and is why I can split off from RF and make better analog cable using the 4x30 AWG design this way. </p>
<p>Another factor is the bulk cable impedance is just that, the cable and no connector. Adding a connector and it's reactance will also impact RF. </p>
<p>Summary, for digital use the series I XLR ICONOCLAST for AES/EBU and for S/PDIF precision coaxial use the 4694P (fluococopolymer + silver plated copper) or 1694A (olefin + bare copper). </p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: BAV XLR</title>
                        <link>https://iconoclastcable.com/blog/community/general-discussion/bav-xlr/#post-59</link>
                        <pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2025 02:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Nevermind.  I found that the BAV XLR does work for digital.  This should probably be added to its product description as I had to dig to find it.]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nevermind.  I found that the BAV XLR does work for digital.  This should probably be added to its product description as I had to dig to find it.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: BAV XLR</title>
                        <link>https://iconoclastcable.com/blog/community/general-discussion/bav-xlr/#post-58</link>
                        <pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2025 02:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Will this work for spdif connections or is there a more suitable cable that you could recommend?]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will this work for spdif connections or is there a more suitable cable that you could recommend?</p>]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://iconoclastcable.com/blog/community/"></category>                        <dc:creator>Rob-C</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: Welcome to the Iconoclast/BAV Discussion Forum!</title>
                        <link>https://iconoclastcable.com/blog/community/general-discussion/welcome-to-the-iconoclast-bav-discussion-forum/paged/4/#post-57</link>
                        <pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2025 10:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Grandma&#039;s hat boxes. Collectors item now.]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grandma's hat boxes. Collectors item now.</p>
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						                            <category domain="https://iconoclastcable.com/blog/community/"></category>                        <dc:creator>BobBJC</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: Welcome to the Iconoclast/BAV Discussion Forum!</title>
                        <link>https://iconoclastcable.com/blog/community/general-discussion/welcome-to-the-iconoclast-bav-discussion-forum/paged/3/#post-56</link>
                        <pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2025 02:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Yes, the boxes were kind of a cool experiment. We need to make boxes that are more flexible (pun there) for our stiffest speaker cables down to the flexible RCA&#039;s. Nice boxes are expensive, ...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the boxes were kind of a cool experiment. We need to make boxes that are more flexible (pun there) for our stiffest speaker cables down to the flexible RCA's. Nice boxes are expensive, and we want to keep cost to the PRODUCT that is doing the work in your system, but ya, I have an ICONOCLAST experimental box in my window too! When we are famous and have higher sales, maybe we can get QTY to add boxes economically. </p>
<p>Galen</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>General Discussions</title>
                        <link>https://iconoclastcable.com/blog/community/general-discussion/general-discussions/#post-55</link>
                        <pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2025 02:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Everyone is having fun with improvements!I’ve had my CLX since 2013, and what they do is REALLY, REALLY GOOD. But physics is as physics does. The stereo BF212 subs extend the deep bass cross...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone is having fun with improvements!<br /><br />I’ve had my CLX since 2013, and what they do is REALLY, REALLY GOOD. But physics is as physics does. The stereo BF212 subs extend the deep bass crossed-over at 65Hz in my system. I use the ARC EQ, but set the cross-over point and level myself.<br /><br />Here is the rub, the CLX sill use the electrostatic panels down to the subs @ 65 Hz. The POWER in the bass is well above the 65 Hz bass region, and relies on the bass panels to get that air moving HARD. They can’t. We have the “reach" in frequency but not the POWER or propulsion in the bass.<br /><br />Consider the CWT 1000-40, a electrostatic hybrid design that indeed and the bass power but have the opposite issue, the incredible microdynamic detail of the CLX where they do work. They are dynamic driver good but nothing seems to touch the Martin Logans in extreme detail and dynamics mids on up.<br /><br />Right now, I decided to stick with what I know, that Martin Logan strength of the mids on up, and look at the more capable Renaissance ESL15A to fill-in the bass. The dual 12 inch powered subs are 500 watts each, and run up to 300 Hz and into that bass POWER arena. The electrostatic panels are left to do what they do well…mids on up and can handle 700 watts! The CLX are limited to 200 watts, and play plenty loud but the bass dynamics are managed tighter for sure. Bass power on even the 11A’s was superb because it was a dynamic driver doing it. Use each section with the proper drivers that naturally work where placed.<br /><br />So I’m thinking of getting the ESL15A’s to round out my reactive impedance load speakers. The T+A CWT 1000-40 are still perfect for the dynamic driver less reactive load. No changes there.<br /><br />The last issue, when I auditioned the ESL11A on hand, the sound was well off what I know the 11A should be doing. I brought my 10 foot ICONOCLAST TPC series II speaker cables I use on the CLX and we inserted those into the chain. Viola! What a difference it made. I was startled yet again at the cable’s capabilities.<br /><br />I take for granted how good the product is, and yet again I was put back on my heals how well the science that ICONOCLAST follows has made a superb cable for everyone and at a price far, far cheaper than alternatives. I want to say thank to those that audition our products and again, I think we REALLY, REALLY are a true benefit for you. They sure are for me as I found out again.<br /><br />Best to all having fun with improvements!<br /><br />Galen Gareis</p>]]></content:encoded>
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